Sunday, September 30, 2012

Jesus and Joshua (Yoshua) Had the Same Hebrew Name *

Jesus and Joshua Had the Same Hebrew Name *



I found the article that says the translation in Act 7:45 and Heb 4:8 in King James Bible is incorrect.

Is that true?

Let me show you, what they're talking about :

The name of the Messiah:

There is some evidence that the name Iesous was transliterated by the compilers of the Greek New Testament.
Let's examine two scriptures where the name Yoshua was errantly changed to Iesous and then later "corrected."

(Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8)
Acts 7: 45
"45 Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus (should be Yoshua
bin nun ) into the possession of the Gentiles, whom G-d drove out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David,"

Hebrews 4: 8
"8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day."
We see in these two verses that translators eager to replace the name Yoshua with Jesus wherever they found it accidentally replaced references to Yoshua of Old Testament with a reference to "Jesus."
You find this error repeated in the King James Version, but in later translations this error is "fixed."

In the newer translations you will find the name "Yoshua" appearing in these two verses!
What more evidence do we need?
This also explains why the phrase "Jesus Christ" or "Jesus the Christ" appears so many times, because if they just said "Yoshua" and not "Yoshua the Christ," we might not know for sure of which Yoshua they spoke.

It is obvious, therefore, that the original Hebrew name of Messiah was Yahushua, (Yoshua).Yet, what is the difference? Does it really matter? In a way it does and in another way it doesn't. Many maintain the belief that since the exact Hebrew name is Yahshua, or read : "Yoshua" in English. It is wrong to replace the Hebrew name, Yoshua, with Iesous (later Jesus).


Is it true what they said here ?
(By the way the people who wrote this they rather believe Jesus' Hebrew name is Yahushua rather than Yeshua, they just want to claim that the name Jesus in English is the name of false Messiah):

Let's read my info here :
The Name Of Jesus
The original text of the Old Testament was written in Hebrew. The text translated into English in the New Testament was written in Greek. The Greek word pronounced (Iesous {ee-ay-sooce'}) is the word translated “Jesus” in the New Testament. It means “Jehovah is salvation.”
This Greek word comes from the same Hebrew word translated Joshua or Jehoshua in the Old Testament. It also means “Y-H-V-H (LORD) is salvation.” This means, if the New Testament had been written in Hebrew, the name of Jesus would have been translated into English as “Joshua.”
Hebrew
The Jewish community has claimed the name of Jesus in Hebrew is Yeshu the traditional Jewish spelling of Jesus. Why do others spell Jesus as Yeshua with four letters and sometimes spell it as Yehoshua with five letters ?
This word means "Y-H-V-H (LORD) is salvation"
English translation from Hebrew “Joshua, Yoshua or Jehoshua”
Greek translation from Hebrew
Iesous {ee-ay-sooce'}This word means “Y-H-V-H (LORD) is salvation"
English translation from Greek “Jesus”
There are two places in the New Testament this Greek word is used to refer to the Joshua of the Old Testament.
These verses are Hebrews 4:8 and Acts 7:45. I
In the King James Version this word is translated Jesus in these two verses. Many later translations translate it Joshua in both verses.
Either translation would be correct, except translating it “Joshua” in these two verses distinguishes Jesus the Christ from Joshua of the Old Testament.
This is also true in the rest of the New Testament. By the different translations, the name of Jesus is set apart from the Joshua of the Old Testament.
Think of how confusing it could have been if both were called Joshua. We will most likely never know for sure but this could be the reason the New Testament was written in Greek.
I believe God may have worked it out this way to avoid confusion over the fact that both Joshua and Jesus had the same name in the Hebrew. (Y@howshuwa` {yeh-ho-shoo'-ah} or Y@howshu`a {yeh-ho-shoo'-ah} or Yehoshua or “Joshua” in English)
(Hebrews 4:8) King James Version
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
(Hebrews 4:8) New King James Version
For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.
(Acts 7:44-45) King James Version
Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen. Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;
(Acts 7:44-45) New King James Version
“Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as He appointed, instructing Moses to make it according to the pattern that he had seen, which our fathers, having received it in turn, also brought with Joshua into the land possessed by the Gentiles, whom God drove out before the face of our fathers until the days of David,

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No wonder the people who call the Messiah as Yahushua or Yahshua have some doubts on KJV Bible, it is because they do not like the Truth. They do not like the Words of God written in KJV which is the most authentic English Bible translation to original manuscript the Textus Receptus.

And I know these people, like the owner of Multiply ID of locie, unclerobber, lsguan, birkat, wiwietp, maplesblog and so on.

I am sorry to be open, as it is written in :
Mat 18:17 KJV
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

They basically are people who do not understand Hebrew, and they want to twist what had been written in Brit Chadasah (Hebrew New Testament).

For example :
Mat 1:21 KJV
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Mat 1:21 Brit Chadasah
והיא ילדת בן וקראת את־שמו ישוע כי הוא יושיע את־עמו מחטאתיהם׃

The word
JESUS in Mat 1:21 came from Hebrew word ישוע which is to be read as yeshua

Gen 49:18 KJV
I have waited for thy salvation [ישׁוּעה - yeshû‛âh], O LORD.

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So according to Brit Chadasah (Hebrew New Testament), Messiah's Name is Yeshua. Not Yahushua or Yahshua or whatever.
 

Elizeus, Eliseus New testament KJV Bible not Elisha, is this wrong ?

Elizeus, Eliseus New testament KJV Bible not Elisha, is this wrong ?

Is that correct the translation in Luke 4:27, KJV ?

I quoted this from the teaching of Sacred Name Movement :

G_d is Zeus:

Luke 4:27(KJV 1611)
And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elizeus the Prophet: and none of them was cleansed, sauing Naaman the Syrian.


This is no excuse for putting  EliZeusin Luke 4:27 since there were many Bibles in English prior to the 1611 which NEVER put a "Z" in the prophets name.

If you know anything about Hebrew names, which Bible translators do, each name in Hebrew has a meaning as well as a pronunciation sound.
El in Hebrew means G_d.
Zeus is just the g_d of the heathen world imported direct from Greek culture.

The word meaning from a Hebrew perspective of El-I-Zeus is "G_d is Zeus."


Let me explain you what's wrong about their teaching :

Yes it's true in,
Luke 4:27 KJV 1611
The name of prophet Elisha is written Elizeus.
How about Luke 4:27, KJV ?

Luke 4:27, KJV
And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.

The name of prophet Elisha is written Eliseus.Why the name of the prophet Elisha in Luke 4:27, KJV in The New testament is written Elizeus/ Eliseus ?
On the other hand in the same KJV Bible, see 2 Kings 5:1-14 , the same story (subject) like in Luke 4:27 about the prophet Elisha.

In 2 Kings 5, KJV in Old Testament mentioned the prophet named Elisha not Elizeus/ Eliseus, why ?
The Old Testament was written in Hebrew originally while The New Testament was written in Koine Greek.

Who is the writter of the book of Luke?
His name is Luke, a Greek Medical doctor.  He wrote the book of Acts as well. He was a close associate of the Apostle Paul, who called him "the beloved physician" (Col 4:14).
Luke accompanied Paul on two of his missionary journeys and was with him while the apostle Paul was a prisoner of the Emperor Nero, where later he was put to death (2 Tim 4:11).

So it's proof the book of Luke and Acts were written in Greek, because the writer is Luke, he was the Gentile from Greek.


Elisha, Old Testament in Hebrew :
אֱלִישַׁע ('Elisha'), a contracted form of אֱלִישׁוּעַ ('Elishu'a) meaning "my Elohim (God) is salvation"

Elizeus, Eliseus, New testament in Greek :
ελισσαιου  noun - genitive singular masculine
Elissaios  el-is-sah'-yos:  Elissaeus, an Israelite -- Elissaeus.

That's why from the
pronounciation of the original language Greek the name of Elisha in Luke 4:27, KJV Bible it says Elizeus, Eliseus.

The same person with different names both in Old Testament and New Testament KJV Bible, it happens because the translation from the original languages.
The same thing it happens with the name of Joshua/ Yoshua in Old Testament KJV Bible is written with the name Jesus in the New testament KJV Bible (This is talking about the prophet Joshua/ Yoshua not Jesus Christ)
See again my previous blog, the information here :"Jesus and Joshua had the same Hebrew Name."

Is that any connection the name of Jesus and Elizeus/ Eliseus with the God Greek named Zeus, like Sacred Name Movement follower believe it ?

Check here to prove it:
"The name lie Revisited."
"Jesus or Zeus."
conclusion:

The name Jesus and Elizeus/ Eliseus are not related with the name of Greek God Zeus.

The quotation is from the web site at www.revelations.za/ (Sacred Name Movement web site)

“Exactly the same as the pagan influence changed YAH’SHUAH to ‘Y’Zeus’ - (‘Jesus’ - phonetically ‘Jezus’),
so also Luke 4:27 reflects the change of ‘Eli’Shuah’ to’Eli’Zeus’ (My God is Zeus’)!”

Where did this sacred name teacher get his research? He does not bother to tell us. He cannot tell us; he didn't do any. He has simply put his own spin, and not a very well thought out spin at that, on the same trite and worn out fiction   He has no regard for the facts and the use made historically of the Greek word IhsouV.

Forging ahead, in sacred name movement fashion, he tips his hand by using the word “phonetically.” Here he has told us the basis for his teaching; Jesus sounds like Zeus. 

The sound alike theory, Jesus sounds like Zeus therefore it is derived from Zeus, is pretty much the single and major basis for this sacred name lie ever being taught.

Our teacher in this instance has, by some sacred name movement standards of research, done well   He could be complimented on adding an interesting new twist, Eli’Zeus = My God is Zeus.

His reference is to Luke 4:27 in the KJV where Elisha is spelled Elizeus/ Eliseus. It just sounds too much like Zeus for our teacher. He jumps at the chance to use his phonetically-like-Zeus theory. His jump takes him off a cliff. His smash up leaves him in ruins. The word Eliseus has nothing whatsoever to do with the word Zeus. Just as the word Jesus has nothing whatsoever to do with the word Zeus.


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These people really pervert the Words of God.

First of all, we must acknowledge that :
2Ti 3:16 KJV
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

If those people understand that All scripture is given by inspiration of God, then they must have known that Luke could not be mistaken in his writing in Luk 4:27.

Holy Spirit inspired Luke to wrote the Gospel of Luke even in Luk 4:27.

Let us have a look in the manuscript :

Luk 4:27 Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus
και πολλοι λεπροι ησαν επι ελισσαιου του προφητου εν τω ισραηλ και ουδεις αυτων εκαθαρισθη ει μη νεεμαν ο συρος

Luk 4:27 Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus
kai polloi leproi esan epi elissaiou tou prophetou en to israel kai oudeis auton ekatharisthe ei me neeman ho suros

Luk 4:27 KJV
And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.

Strong's Hebrew-Greek Dictionary :
Ἐλισσαῖος - Elissaios (to be read : el-is-sah'-yos)
Of Hebrew origin [אלישׁע - 'ĕlîyshâ‛]; Elissaeus, an Israelite: - Elissus.


The word ελισσαιου in Luk 4:27 is to be read as el-is-sah'-yos.

If we hear a pronounciation as : el-is-sah'-yos then it should be written in English as Eliseus or Elizeus.

It has nothing to do with the god of Zeus in Greece mythology. Why? Because Luke, the writter of Gospel of Luke was believed to be inspired by Holy Ghost.

It is about lingustic or morphology, about how to pronounce and how to write from Greek into English.

If they do not understand morphology lingustic, then they create some false teachings. So once again, the translator of KJV Bible were very accurate.

The word Easter is used in Acts 12:4, KJV, Is this correct?

THE WORD EASTER IS USED IN ACTS 12:4, KJV,  IS THIS CORRECT?

Now, I'd like to discuss again the article that I quoted from Sacred Name Movement people and their preference with New King James Version rather than King James Version Bible.
Act 12:4, KJV
And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.


This word is pascha and refers to Passover, not Easter.The New King James Version, and virtually all other translations, correct this mistake.

Is this true NKJV Bible is more correct rather than KJV Bible ?

Isn't “Easter” in Acts 12:4 a mistranslation?

By Dr. Samuel C. Gipp, Th.D.

QUESTION:
Isn't "Easter" in Acts 12:4 a mistranslation of the word "pascha" and should it be translated as "passover"?
ANSWER:
No, "pascha" is properly translated "Easter" in Acts 12:4 as the following explanation will show.

EXPLANATION:
The Greek word which is translated "Easter" in Acts 12:4 is the word "pascha".

This word appears twenty-nine times in the New Testament. Twenty-eight of those times the word is rendered "Passover" in reference to the night when the Lord passed over Egypt and killed all the firstborn of Egypt (Exodus 12:12), thus setting Israel free from four hundred years of bondage.

The many opponents to the concept of having a perfect Bible have made much of this translation of "pascha". Coming to the word "Easter" in God's Authorized Bible, they seize upon it imagining that they have found proof that the Bible is not perfect. Fortunately for lovers of the word of God, they are wrong.

Easter, as we know it, comes from the ancient pagan festival of Astarte. Also known as Ishtar (pronounced "Easter"). This festival has always been held late in the month of April. It was, in its original form, a celebration of the earth "regenerating" itself after the winter season.

The festival involved a celebration of reproduction. For this reason the common symbols of Easter festivities were the rabbit (the same symbol as "Playboy" magazine), and the egg. Both are known for their reproductive abilities. At the center of attention was Astarte, the female deity.

She is known in the Bible as the "queen of heaven" (Jeremiah 7:18; 44:17-25). She is the mother of Tammuz (Ezekiel 8:14) who was also her husband! These perverted rituals would take place at sunrise on Easter morning (Ezekiel 8:13-16).

From the references in Jeremiah and Ezekiel, we can see that the true Easter has never had any association with Jesus Christ. Problem: Even though the Jewish passover was held in mid April (the fourteenth) and the pagan festival Easter was held later the same month, how do we know that Herod was referring to Easter in Acts 12:4 and not the Jewish passover?

If he was referring to the passover, the translation of "pascha" as "Easter" is incorrect. If he was indeed referring to the pagan holyday (holiday) Easter, then the King James Bible (1611) must truly be the very word and words of God for it is the only Bible in print today which has the correct reading.

To unravel the confusion concerning "Easter" in verse 4, we must consult our FINAL authority, THE BIBLE. The key which unlocks the puzzle is found not in verse 4, but in verse 3. (Then were the days of unleavened bread... ")

To secure the answer that we seek, we must find the relationship of the passover to the days of unleavened bread. We must keep in mind that Peter was arrested during the "days of unleavened bread" (Acts 12:3).

Our investigation will need to start at the first Passover. This was the night in which the LORD smote all the firstborn in Egypt. The Israelites were instructed to kill a lamb and strike its blood on the two side posts and the upper door post (Exodus 12:4, 5).

Let us now see what the Bible says concerning the first passover, and the days of unleavened bread.

Exodus 12:13-18:
13And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.    
14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.    
15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.    
16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.    
17 And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.    
18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.

" Here in Exodus 12:13 we see how the passover got its name.

The LORD said that He would "pass over" all of the houses which had the blood of the lamb marking the door.

After the passover (Exodus 12:13, 14), we find that seven days shall be fulfilled in which the Jews were to eat unleavened bread. These are the days of unleavened bread! In verse 18 we see that dates for the observance were April 14th through the 21st.

This religious observance is stated more clearly in Numbers 28:16-18:
16And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD.     17 And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.   
18 In the first day shall be an holy convocation;ye shall do no manner of servile work therein:"

In verse 16 we see that the passover is only considered to be the 14th of the month. On the next morning, the 15th begins the "days of unleavened bread."

Deuteronomy 16:1-8, KJV:
1Observe the month of Abib (April), and keep the passover unto the LORD thy God: for in the month of Abib the LORD thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night.    
2 Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the LORD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the LORD shall choose to place his name there.   
3 Thou shalt eat no leavened bread with it; seven days shalt thou eat unleavened bread therewith, even the bread of affliction: for thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt in haste: that thou mayest remember the day when thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt all the days of thy life.    
4 And there shall be no leavened bread seen with thee in all thy coast seven days; neither shall there any thing of the flesh, which thou sacrificedst the first day at even, remain all night until the morning.    
5 Thou mayest not sacrifice the passover within any of thy gates, which the LORD thy God giveth thee:   
6 But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt.    
7 And thou shalt roast and eat it in the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: and thou shalt turn in the morning, and go unto thy tents.    
8 Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day shall be a solemn assembly to the LORD thy God: thou shalt do no work therein."

Here in Deuteronomy we see again that the passover is sacrificed on the first night (Deuteronomy 16:1).
It is worth noting that the passover was to be celebrated in the evening (vs.6) not at sunrise (Ezekiel 8:13-16).

In II Chronicles 8:13 we see that the feast of unleavened bread was one of the three Jewish feasts to be kept during the year.

II Chronicles 8:13: "Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles."

Whenever the passover was kept, it always preceded the feast of unleavened bread.

In II Chronicles 30 some Jews who were unable to keep the passover in the first month were allowed to keep it in the second.
But the dates remained the same.

II Chronicles 30:l5,21: "Then they killed the passover on the fourteenth day of the second month: and the priests and the Levites were ashamed, and sanctified themselves, and brought in the burnt offerings into the house of the LORD. And the children of lsrael that were present at Jerusalem kept the feast of unleavened bread seven days with great gladness: and the Levites and the priests praised the LORD day by day, singing with loud instruments unto the LORD."

Ezra 6:19,22: "And the children of the captivity kept the passover upon the fourteenth day of the first month. And kept the feast of unleavened bread seven days with joy: for the LORD had made them joyful, and turned the heart of the king of Assyria unto them, to strengthen their hands in the work of the house of God, the God of Israel."

We see then, from studying what the BIBLE has to say concerning the subject that the order of events went as follows:
On the 14th of April the lamb was killed. This is the passover. No event following the 14th is ever referred to as the passover.  On the morning of the 15th begins the days of unleavened bread, also known as the feast of unleavened bread. It must also be noted that whenever the passover is mentioned in the New Testament, the reference is always to the meal, to be eaten on the night of April 14th not the entire week.

The days of unleavened bread are NEVER referred to as the Passover. (It must be remembered that the angel of the Lord passed over Egypt on one night, not seven nights in a row.

Now let us look at Acts 12:3, 4: "And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.) And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people." Verse 3 shows that Peter was arrested during the days of unleavened bread (April 15-21).

The Bible says: "Then were the days of unleavened bread." The passover (April 14th) had already come and gone. Herod could not possibly have been referring to the passover in his statement concerning Easter.

The next Passover was a year away! But the pagan holiday of Easter was just a few days away. Remember!
Herod was a pagan Roman who worshipped the "queen of heaven". He was NOT a Jew. He had no reason to keep the Jewish passover.

Some might argue that he wanted to wait until after the passover for fear of upsetting the Jews. There are two grievous faults in this line of thinking.

First, Peter was no longer considered a Jew. He had repudiated Judaism.
The Jews would have no reason to be upset by Herod's actions.
Second, he could not have been waiting until after the passover because he thought the Jews would not kill a man during a religious holiday.

They had killed Jesus during passover (Matthew 26:17-19, 47).
They were also excited about Herod's murder of James. Anyone knows that a mob possesses the courage to do violent acts during religious festivities, not after. In further considering Herod's position as a Roman, we must remember that the Herods were well known for celebrating (Matthew 14:6-11).

In fact, in Matthew chapter 14 we see that a Herod was even willing to kill a man of God during one of his celebrations. It is elementary to see that Herod, in Acts 12, had arrested Peter during the days of unleavened bread, after the passover.

The days of unleavened bread would end on the 21st of April. Shortly after that would come Herod's celebration of pagan Easter. Herod had not killed Peter during the days of unleavened bread simply because he wanted to wait until Easter.

Since it is plain that both the Jews (Matthew 26:17-47) and the Romans (Matthew 14:6-11) would kill during a religious celebration, Herod's opinion seemed that he was not going to let the Jews "have all the fun." He would wait until his own pagan festival and see to it that Peter died in the excitement.

Thus we see that it was God's providence which had the Spirit-filled translators of our Bible (King James) to CORRECTLY translate "pascha" as "Easter". It most certainly did not refer to the Jewish passover.

In fact, to change it to "passover" would confuse the reader and make the truth of the situation unclear.

I have another article which is related with this topic, that you might want to see "Which one is the right one in Acts 12:4."

1 John 5:7, KJV, Is this correct ?

This is another topic, I'd like to discuss.

1 John 5:7, KJV
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Some people disbelieve about this bible passage whether is true original inspired from God or not.
Usually the ones who don't believe Jesus is the son of God and The Trinity, like Muslim, Jehovah Witness, Mormon, Majority Jews and others.
It's kind of a bit surprised me that I found this article from someone who believe with Sacred Name Movement teaching whom I know she believes Jesus is the son of God, but does not believe the Trinity doctrine?

I think she and her Sacred Name Movement group mix their teaching and belief with Jehovah Witness Teaching, just like I mentioned here before they have some doubts about the Trinity Doctrine and also they don't believe Jesus died on the cross, but on the stake or pole.
*To find out whether is true or not Jesus died on the cross, visit my previous blog here:
"Did Jesus die on the cross, stake or pole ?"

Let's back to the topic on this blog :
Here I quoted one of their teaching:

Three in one:

1John 5:7
For there are three bearing witness in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. ( I think this quoted from NKJV)

Around the year 500 this portion appeared in the Latin version known as the Vulgate. Apparently the insertion was an attempt to bolster the then-controversial belief in the Trinity.
Apparently monks who copied the Greek New Testament text in the 14th or 15th century added this verse from the Vulgate. Even the Catholic Jerusalem Bible admits this verse is not authentic and has left it out. This is fact. Do some research and see for yourself.

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The people who wrote this, it means they have some doubts about the trinity doctrine.
Is that true 1 john 5:7 the one it's written both in NKJV and KJV is false and was added by catholic monks and not authentic?
I don't believe with their claims, because I believe KJV Bible was inspired by God and written by honest, truthful, and good translator.

Here I'm posting some info from my brother in Christ, Andre told me :
Let us examine together :

1Jn 5:7 KJV
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Now let us see what had been written in the manuscripts :

1Jn 5:7 Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus
οτι τρεις εισιν οι μαρτυρουντες εν τω ουρανω ο πατηρ ο λογος και το αγιον πνευμα και ουτοι οι τρεις εν εισιν

1Jn 5:7 Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus
hoti treis eisin hoi marturountes en to ourano ho pater ho logos kai to agion pneuma kai houtoi hoi treis en eisin

1Jn 5:7 Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
hoti treis eisin hoi marturountes en to ourano ho pater ho logos kai to agion pneuma kai houtoi hoi treis en eisin

1Jn 5:7 Byzantine Majority
hoti treis eisin hoi marturountes

1Jn 5:7 Alexandrian
hoti treis eisin hoi marturountes

1Jn 5:7 Hort and Westcott
hoti treis eisin hoi marturountes

From all manuscripts, we can see the difference that manuscript Byzantine, Alexandrian and Hort - Westcott erased the word en to ourano ho pater ho logos kai to agion pneuma kai houtoi hoi treis en eisin

Why can I say that?

Because Trinity is taught also in Mat 3:16-17.

Mat 3:16 KJV
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 KJV
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

When Jesus was being baptized, the Holy Spirit was descending upon Him, and Heavenly Father (Y-H-V-H) said : This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased

All 3 were seen on Mat 3:16-17.

So, what do we get from Mat 3:16-17?
We know that Trinity is biblical even all His creations reflect about God's character as Trinity, such as :

Atom
The smallest element can be divided into 3 which is proton, electron and neutron.

Human being
As the highest degree of His creation consist of body, soul and spirit.

Earth elements
Consist of water, air and land.

All of these are His signature.

So if somebody says : that 1Jn 5:7 only For there are three that bear record and they ignore the whole part, actually this teaching is the teaching of Arianism or we know it as Jehovah Witness.

From manuscript Textus Receptus, we know that KJV is correct. Even the Latin Vulgate which is the Roman Catholic Bible in Middle Ages is written like this :

1Jn 5:7 Latin Vulgate
quia tres sunt qui testimonium dant - For there are three that bear record

They follow the corrupt manuscript of Alexandria. So the information saying that Catholic monks added it, was totally wrong, because the Textus Receptus had have 1Jn 5:7 completely before Latin Vulgate was made.

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I know the Trinity doctrine is hard to understand, but if we search the scripture thoroughly is written there, although the Bible never said "Trinity" word in it.
Jesus spoke many times of the Father and Holy Spirit (The Comforter), and in this one verse, Jesus included all of Him (God)

Bible says about The Father (God), The Son (Jesus) and The Holy Spirit are all in ONE :
Luke 3:22, KJV
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Matt 28:19-20, KJV
19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


God is one in Spirit, so God the Father and God the Son are one in Spirit. The Holy Bible says that Jesus existed even before the world began, so we know He existed in God himself.

Now we know that Jesus was also, a man - God's Spirit made flesh, so that God could be like us (His most precious creation), and become our teacher, healer, and saviour (the ultimate love sacrifice for our sins).

I think of The Father as God in heaven, Jesus as God the human and high priest (currently in heaven), and The Holy Spirit as God everywhere else (Jesus in those of us who are saved and born again in Him). I also compare God to water, which we know water is a major theme in The Bible. Water is the same H2O molecule whether it is liquid, ice, or vapor. So God is the same whether He is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. In His case, the water is pure, and is the same no matter where it is.

More info regarding the trinity :
"Understanding The Biblical Doctrine Of The Trinity."

Did Yeshua (Jesus) Ever Say He was God?

Did Yeshua (Jesus) Ever Say
He was God?


Is Yeshua (Jesus) God? Investigate these interesting claims...


The earliest followers of Jesus all seemed pretty convinced that Jesus was fully God in human form. Paul said, "He is the image of the invisible God...in him all the fulness of God was pleased to dwell." John said that Jesus created the world. Peter said, "every one who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name." But what did Jesus say about himself? Did he ever identify himself as God? According to the Bible...absolutely! Below are some of his statements made while on earth, in their context.

Is Jesus God? How he implied he was God:

John 8:57-59, KJV
57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

John 10:30-33, KJV
30I and my Father are one.
31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

John 12:44-48, KJV
44Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
45And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
46I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
47And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
John 13:12-14, KJV
12So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
13Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
14If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
John 14:6-9, KJV
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Is Jesus God? How he described himself: John 6:32-35, KJV
32Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
John 8:12-14, KJV
12Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
13The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.
14Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.
John 10:7-11, KJV
7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
John 11:21-27, KJV
21Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
22But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.
23Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
27She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

Is Jesus God?


What he said he was sent here to do:


Matthew 20:25-28, KJV
25But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.

26But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;


27And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

28Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.


Mark 9:31-32, KJV


31For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.

32But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.

John 3:16-18, KJV

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 6:37-40, KJV

37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

SOME BIBLE VERSES THAT SAY "JESUS IS GOD."
Some people claim to believe that Jesus was a “good prophet” or 'Only Messiah", but they deny that Jesus is God. If that is you, I would like to encourage you to consider some of these Bible verses:


Isa 9:6, KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 43:10-11, KJV
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Rev 1:17-18, KJV
17And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Rev 2:8, KJV
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
Isa 44:6, KJV
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
2 Peter 1:1, KJV
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
Isa 44:24, KJV
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Joh 1:3, KJV
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Col 1:16, KJV
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Joh 1:1, KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 5:17-18, KJV
17But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Joh 8:24, KJV
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Joh 8:58, KJV
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 10:30-33, KJV
30I and my Father are one.
31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 14:6-7, KJV
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Joh 14:9-11, KJV
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Joh 20:28, KJV
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
Act 4:12, KJV
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Act 20:28, KJVTake heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Rev 1:5-6, KJV
5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 5:8-9, KJV
8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Phil 2:5-7, KJV
5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
1 Tim 3:16, KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Titus 2:13, KJV
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Heb 1:8-9, KJV
8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
2 Joh 1:7, KJV
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Rev 1:8, KJV
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev 22:13, KJV
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:16, KJV
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Heb 2:17-18, KJV
17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
18For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
Heb 4:15-16, KJV
15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
1 Peter 2:24, KJV
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Joh 15:13, KJV
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Romans 5:8, KJV
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
John 5:23, KJV
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

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